GRAY FAILS REFERENDUM
TEST TEN TIMES
POLL SHOWS INCREASING
SUPPORT FOR INDEPENDENCE
Figures released in a
BBC ICM poll show an increasing number of voters
favouring Scotland's independence as a majority of
voters call for a referendum on independence and on
full taxation powers for the Scottish Parliament.
The results are released as Labour leader Iain Gray
refused ten times in an interview to support a
referendum or to explain his opposition.
SNP Business Convenor
Angus Robertson welcomed the results which show 42%
of people in favour of the Scottish Parliament
negotiating on a settlement with the Government of
the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an
independent state - an increase of 7% on the same
poll conducted in 2007.
The
poll also shows a clear majority, 57% in favour of a
referendum to decide Scotland's constitutional
future.
When asked on this
BBC Radio Scotland's 'Good Morning Scotland'
programme, Labour leader in the Scottish Parliament
Iain Gray was asked ten times if the Scottish public
should have the right to decide Scotland's
constitutional future in a referendum and refused to
allow the people their say.
Mr Robertson said;
"Ten years ago the
Scottish Parliament reconvened at the wish of the
Scottish people.
"A decade later, for
Labour to deny the people of Scotland their right to
decide, not just once, but ten times in one
interview shows an appalling lack of respect for the
Scottish public and the principle that Scotland's
sovereignty lies with the people.
"Today's poll figures
are incredibly encouraging as they show people
increasingly turning toward the SNP and Scottish
independence with those in favour of negotiating for
Scotland's independence continuing to increase.
"The Scottish
Government's National Conversation has put the
public at the heart of the debate over Scotland's
future.
"As we mark ten years
of devolution this poll shows the clear desire of
the Scottish public for the Scottish Parliament to
take more responsibility and for the Scottish people
to have their say over Scotland's constitutional
future."
1. ICM poll figures
released today and comparison with most ICM poll in
2007
* ICM/BBC, June 2009
Are you in favour or
against the idea of holding a referendum next year
on whether Scotland should become independent?
58% in favour
37% against
5% don't know
* ICM/BBC, June 2009
Next year, the
Scottish Government wants to hold a referendum to
ask the people of Scotland whether they agree or
disagree that..."the Scottish Government should
negotiate a settlement with the Government of the
United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an
independent state". Do you think you would vote for
or against this proposal?
Yes: 42%
No: 50%
22-24 June, sample:
1010
* ICM/Scotsman, April
2007
The Scottish
Parliament should negotiate a new settlement with
the British government so that Scotland becomes a
sovereign and independent state
Yes, I agree: 35%
No, I disagree:
55%
27-30 April 2007,
sample size: 1014
2. Good Morning
Scotland Transcript (30th June 2009) - Ten
Referendum questions highlighted.
(1) Gary Robertson:
People want a say, so are you going to support a
referendum?
Iain Gray: What is
completely clear is support for independence is low
and falling. What the Scottish people want is a
devolved parliament with more powers than it has
just now, that's exactly where we are and a good
poll result I think.
(2) Gary Robertson:
what they want is by 58% a referendum on whether
Scotland should become independent if, as you say,
you're going to win that independence referendum why
not back it?
Iain Gray: Well I
think perhaps a lot of people said yes to that
question because they're probably sick hearing about
a referendum and they would like it out the way and
that's exactly the offer we made 18 months ago to
the SNP and the point is Alex Salmond bottled it
(3) Gary Robertson:
Yes but this was a survey carried out last month 58%
people want a referendum.
Iain Gray: and that's
exactly the promise we made 18 months ago and the
SNP walked away from that. You know I think a better
question to have asked would be whether they thought
this was the priority on which their politicians
should be focusing
(4) Gary: that wasn't
the question that was asked - the question was are
you for a referendum 58% are in favour - you're a
democrat.
Iain : I'm a democrat
I believe in elections but we also did 18 months ago
say to the SNP let's
have this referendum, let's have a straight
question, let's get it out of the way and it was
they who walked away from that and last week in the
parliament we had the incredible sight of a
Nationalist party actually arguing against more
powers for the Scottish Parliament
(5) Gary: But let's
ignore the SNP for a second. The Scottish public,
58% say let's have an independence referendum. Now
the poll suggests you would win it - so what are you
afraid of?
Iain: Well I'm afraid
of nothing and that's why 18 months ago we said to
the SNP let's have this referendum with a straight
question, let's get it out of the way and it was
Alex Salmond who bottled that
(6) Gary: but why not
now?
Iain: The only
referendum that's on offer just now is the SNP's
referendum outlined in their white paper which has
both a rigged question and a rigged timetable
(7) Gary: Why not
give the people what they want? Why not now back a
referendum - what's different between now and 18
months ago?
Iain Gray: The
difference is that we offered to do this to get it
out of the way to ask a fair question, a straight
question in fact I think Brian Taylor used that
phrase earlier on in your programme a "straight
question" ask a straight question, get it out of the
way and the SNP refused to do that what they offered
to go for is something completely different which
there isn't a majority in the parliament for and I
think that really the most important findings here
are that what the Scottish people support is a
strong devolved parliament with more powers than we
have at the moment and that's exactly what I'm
arguing for.
(8) Gary: Well we'll
talk about that in a second but can you explain to
the people of Scotland who just a matter of days ago
said to opinion pollsters that the majority of them
were in favour of a referendum why wont you grant
them that now?
Iain: Because it's
not in my power to grant them that. The referendum-
(9) Gary: well it's
in your power to go along with it you're saying 18
months ago you wanted it - tell them why you don't
want it now.
Iain: Because I would
favour a referendum only with a straight question -
a straight yes/no question that's not an offer,
that's not what Alex Salmond is offering - what he
is offering is a rigged question so that referendum
is not on offer. What is on offer is a strong
Scotland in the union a Scottish Parliament with
more powers than we have at the moment and that is
exactly what in your poll people said they wanted.
Gary: Well indeed
people said in our poll yesterday that by a margin
of 2 to 1 that they would prefer Holyrood to have
control over pensions and also tax. Would you grant
them that?
Iain: Well the Calman
Commission which we support has proposed exactly
more power over taxation. Personally, I think
pensions would be more difficult because I think
it's one of those areas where risks should be spread
across the bigger economic unit and I think there's
a benefit in that to us and I think we saw that
benefit when it came to the banking crisis and funds
were available to save Scotland's two banks - but
look what the Calman process suggests is a very
significant move in exactly that direction and
incredibly what we see is the SNP a nationalist
party last week in the parliament actually arguing
against more powers for the Scottish Parliament so I
think really it isn't us whose running counter to
what the Scottish people want rather the SNP
Gary: Well you are
running counter because you've just said even though
2 to 1 would have a preference for Holyrood
controlling pensions you're not going to go down
that road even though a majority - almost 2 to 1
would be in favour of a referendum you're not going
to go down that road either.
Iain: Well, I've said
to you several times now 18 months ago we made the
offer exactly to go down that road and it was the
SNP which rejected it. There's nor a majority in the
Parliament for a fair referendum now nor is there a
majority for the rigged referendum the SNP are
proposing
(10) Gary: Well here
is an opportunity surely for you to call the SNP's
bluff. Why not put forward a referendum with the
question you would like to be asked put in the
Calman proposals as well it would be very difficult
for Mr Salmond and his colleagues to say no to that
wouldn't it?
Iain: The reason I
don't do that was in the last year we've seen youth
unemployment in Scotland double, there are 400,000
Scots on the waiting list for housing, there are
hundreds of thousands of Scottish children in
schools which are not fit for purpose and there are
a thousand apprentices in Scotland who've been made
redundant and a referendum will help none of those
and those are our priorities.
Gary: But the
indications are that things are beginning to turn in
the economy
Iain: Well I don't
think you asked the question of the Scottish people
what are the priorities that your politicians should
be focusing on and I think if you had asked that
question you might well have found that trying to
deal with the economic downturn is actually the
thing they want to see us focusing on.
SNP demand answers
on shipyard plans
SNP MSP for Govan and
Scotland’s Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is
demanding immediate answers from Gordon Brown over
secret plans to sell Scottish shipbuilding down the
river.
SNP Westminster
leader Angus Robertson is seeking an immediate
statement in the House of Commons from the UK
Government.
Speaking
as newspaper and media reports suggest plans have
already been drawn up to close one or both of the
Clyde yards Ms Sturgeon said;
"Labour must come
clean over these secret plans to sell Scottish ship
building down the river.
"Workers on the Clyde
will have woken up this morning to this deeply
disturbing news and they deserve answers
immediately.
"Gordon Brown must
give an immediate assurance that the UK Government
will not force the closure of the Clyde yards.
"I have had recent
discussions with Alan Johnston, the Chief Executive
of BVT who assured me assured me the company was
working to secure the long term future of the yards.
I will be contacting BVT this morning to demand
assurances over their commitment to the Clyde yards
and the long term future of Scotland's ship building
expertise."
SNP Defence Spokesman
and Westminster leader Angus Robertson said;
"I am seeking an
immediate Parliamentary statement and debate from
the UK Government on the future of the Clyde
shipyards.
"Today’s reports will
be deeply damaging to morale on the Clyde. Scotland
has
some of the world’s best ship building expertise and
Labour cannot be allowed to sell it down the river."
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